Beiträge von uli

    Hallo,


    so weiter gehts.
    Also mein Dimmerproblem ist gelöst, mein selbst gelöteter hatte einen Defekt. Darum bei Rene einen neuen bestellt, funktioniert bestens.


    Anbei einige Bilder vom Umbau, habe heute nochmals alles abgedichtet, die Risse im Beton bzw. rund um die Düse.
    Die Düse ist zwar nicht mehr die beste muss noch diese Heizsaison halten, muss danach mal HW55 fragen ob dieser welche für den Orlan Super 25 auf Lager hat, ich habe damals den Thread leider nicht weiter verfolgt.



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    So HV anwerfen und mitlogen, hoffentlich geben die Daten einen Hinweis darauf was daas Problem sein könnte.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo Jakob,


    werde den HV gleich mal starten und den Tip ausprobieren.
    Da ich ja schon mal einen Thread dazu eröffnet hatte, werde ich in diesem mal weiter schreiben.
    Ich würde mich freuen wenn ihr mich weiterhin untertsützt bei der Fehlersuche.
    Also weiter gehts im Thread "Probleme nach Umbau Orlan HV mit Flammtronik, bitte um Hilfe".
    Hab mal ein paar Fotos gemacht vom Umbau.
    Werde mit Logen und die Daten einstellen.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo Rene,


    mache morgen nochmal eine Aufzeichnung, HV ist gerade in der Ausbrandphase.
    In der oberen Vergasungskammer sind zwar Risse im Beton, einer geht bis zum Düsenstein, aber sind alle abgedichtet mit Kesselkit.
    Werde mir nochmal eine Tupe Kit besorgen, und die ganze Düse ringsum abdichten.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo Helhof,


    230°C Abgas hatte ich auch nicht bevor ich die FT eingebaut habe. Mit dem LC regelte der Primärlüfter ziemlich gut, aber bei der FT habe ich noch Probleme. Werde aber mal trotzdem die AGT versuchsweise auf 230°C setzen.
    Ich vermute mal da im HV nicht viel Glut ist dass dadurch die zackigen Kurven kommen bzw die Lüfter hoch und runter regeln.



    Gruß Uli

    FPL1.pdf
    Halllo,


    habe mal den Abbrand aufgezeichnet ca. 45 min. So wie diese Aufzeichnung ist der Abbrand auch in den letzten Tagen erfolgt. Bisher kein gutes Ergebnis.
    Der Sek. und Primärlüfter regeln hoch und runter einen ruhigen Abbrand und einen einigermaßen Konstanten O² Wert habe ich bisher auch noch nicht erreicht.
    Die Softwareversion ist die 81c, habe nur die AGT auf 180°C gesetzt.
    Die Kesseltemperatur ist immer bei ca. 79°C.
    So brennt der HV dahin bis der Brennstoff alle ist.
    Der Hv kommt einfach nicht auf Leistung.
    Hatte vor der Auffzeichnung auch einige andere Einstellungen geändert, aber kein Erfolg.
    Wäre schön wenn ihr mir einige Hinweise geben könntet, so dass der HV endlich mal auf Leistung.


    Danke und Gruß Uli

    Hallo,


    muß leider nochmal nachfragen bezüglich der graphischen Darstellung der Auffzeichnungen.
    Habe über das Terminalprogramm die Daten gelogt. Danach diese Daten über die Visualisierunssoftware anschaulich gemacht, komme jedoch danach nicht weiter, diese Daten abzuspeichern oder hier einzustellen. Den Dateityp kann ich auch nicht ändern. Wäre prima wenn es mir jemand erklären könnte.


    Falls es dann mal klappt möchte ich diese Daten gern in meinem Tread einstellen und hoffe natürlich auf Antworten, da der eingestellte O² Wert immer überschritten wird bzw. der Sek. Lüfter kaum dreht ausser mal in der Anheizphase, aber mehr dazu wenn ich die Daten graphisch darstellen kann.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo,


    bei eueren Aufzeichnungen des Abbrandes sehe ich immer solche schöne Grafiken, könnte mir bitte jemand sagen wie man dies so aufzeichnet?
    Habe bei meinen Log Dateien immer nur die Zahlen oder gibt es noch ein anderes Programm als das Terminalprogramm zur Aufzeichnung und zur grafischen Darstellung.


    Danke Uli

    Hallo Spacy,


    danke für den Hinweis, werde ich heute gleich mal so anschließen.
    Hab heute meinen selbst gelöteten Dimmer zur Post geschaft, bin mal gespannt ob ich geschludert habe.


    Eine Frage hätte ich noch, der freie PT 1000 Eingang oben links neben dem Eingang für den Thermofühler, müsste doch eigentlich einen Wert anzeigen bei angeschlossenen Fühler. FT zeigt ja an Sp--,RL 61°, in der Bedienungsanleitung der FT steht zwar drin dass der Wert noch nicht in das Regelverhalten der FT einfließt, aber einen Wert müßte man doch angezeigt bekommen, oder?


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo Rene


    werde erstmal meinen selbst gelöteten Dimmer prüfen lassen, danch wird er wieder angeschlossen, falls dieser funktioniert oder mein Bekannter das Teil reparieren kann.
    Möchte daher meine Bestellung bei Dir erstmal verschieben, bis der Dimmer geprüft ist.
    Sollte der Dimmer wirklich defekt sein würde ich mich nochmals bei Dir melden, könnte aber bis Mitte oder Ende nächster Woche dauern.
    Danach stelle ich nochmals ein Log ein, hoffentlich mit brauchbaren Daten.


    Erstmal Danke für die Hilfe, werde weiter berichten.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo,


    mein Orlan hatte noch die Ekoster 2 Regelung 3.4. geführt nach Kesseltemperatur.
    so jetzt komm noch der Rest.
    FT Version 2.81c.
    Wie schon geschrieben kann leider den Primärlüfter nicht über FT drosseln, da Dimmer mein selbst gelöteter Dimmer nicht 100% regelt.


    FT Parameter


    Primär Start 99%
    Primär min. 15%
    Sek Luft Start 15%
    Restsauerstoff 6%
    AGT 180°
    Ausbrand bei 110°
    PID nichts verändert
    Zeitkonstante AGT 10 sek.
    Kesselpumpe an bei 65°
    Pumpe aus bei 72°
    Kesseltemperatur max. 88°


    habe auch festgestellt dass der Sekundärlüfter noch ordentlich dreht über 6% O2.


    Habe mal im Bekanntenkreis herumtelfoniert, habe jemanden gefunden der mal meinen selbst gelöteten Dimmer checkt, muss ich allerdings per Post versenden, kann einige Tage dauern. Hoffe ja dass das Teil noch zu retten ist.


    Wie habt ihr Eure Dimmer eingestellt?
    Hatte bei Sek 0V RV1 so eingestellt dass der Lüfter los dreht also Lampe erlischt und bei 9,9v volle Drehzahl bei RV2 Lampe gerade voll leuchtet. und dass selbe bei dem Primärlüfter.


    Hatte schon mal was mit 2V und 8,6 Volt gelesen bzw. hatte ich auch als möglichen Hinweis erhalten


    Bin mal gespannt ob mein Bekannter etwas findet, weil ja der Lüfter auch bei voller Drehzahl also 99% mit Dimmer auf und ab schwankt.


    Gruß Uli

    Hallo Rene,


    ja hatte ich wieder mal vergessen, anbei die Parameter welche eingestellt waren.


    AGT 180° dürfte aber für die Primälüfterdrehzahl keine Rolle spielen da dieser Lüfter direkt angeschlossen war, ohne Dimmer, demzufolge 100% Primärlüfterdrehzahl.
    O² Gehalt 6%,
    Kesseltemperatur 88°,
    Anheizen Pumpe Start bei 65°,
    Anheizen Primärluft 100% da Lüfter direkt angeschlossen,
    Mindestdrehzahl Sekundärlüfter 15%, habe aber gesehen dass dieser manchmal Stand.


    Gruß Uli

    habe jetzt das Primärgebläse direkt angeklemmt an die Netzspannung, ohne meinen gelöteten Dimmer, der Rest ist über die FT gesteuert. Zumindest ist der Abbrand besser.
    Aber warum schwankt der Sekundärlüfter so sehr?
    Anbei zwei Log.
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    Date: 12.01.2011 - 11:46:34
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    Freue mich natürlich über jede Antwort.


    Danke Uli

    Hallo Jörn,


    habe die Werkseinstellung der FT genommen und nur die AGT auf 170° heraufgesetzt hatte ich vorher auch. Bei dem LC hatte ich auch 6% O² Gehalt.
    Start Sek. und Primär ist Werkseinstellung.
    Habe als Sek.Lüfter den originalen Orlan Lüfter und als Primär ein WPA 117K, da ich früher vor dem Umbau das Abdeckblech ca 4cm nur offen hatte und die Drehzahl auf 40% gedrosselt hat dies hat gereicht für Primär und Sekundärluft.
    Einen Zugregler habe ich verbaut, aber mein HV steht nur ca. 25 cm von der Wand weg, daher muste ich den Zugregler in Revisionsöffnung einbauen, welche sich in einem anderen Raum befindet, ein anderer Einbauort ist nicht möglich. Schornstein ist Edelstahl 16cm und ca. 8m hoch, mit Isolierung eingelassen in einen alten gemauerten Schornstein.


    Habe heute morgen nochmals die Dimmer getestet, also der von Rene funktioniert tadellos.
    Aber bei meinem selbstgelöteten ist wohl ein Fehler drin. Bei 0V Einstellung läuft der Lüfter an, ein kleines Stück Dimmer zurückgedreht o.k.. Aber bei 9,9V drehe ich den Poti bis die Lampe gerade brennt, Lüfter dreht hoch fast Höchstdrehzahl, danach verringert er und steigt wieder an, also ein auf und ab der Drehzahl. Hatte dies bloß immer kurz getestet, aber nie so richtig auf die Drehzahl gehört.


    Daher meine Frage an Rene, ich würde gern noch zwei Dimmer ordern, u.a. auch einen für die RLA.


    Meine Frage ans Forum, wie könnte ich den HV jetzt betreiben, übergangsweise?
    Dachte mir den Primärlüfter 100% drehen zu lassen ohne Dimmer und FT und den Sekundärlüfter geregelt über FT und Dimmer, wäre dies möglich würde der Sekundärlüfter dies trotzdem gergelt bekommen.

    Hallo,


    also ich bin Uli komme aus Sachsen und lese schon seit längerer Zeit im Forum.
    Das hat mir natürlich Mut gegeb so einen Umbau mit Lufttrennung und LC durchzuführen.
    Seit ca. 3 Jahren habe ich einen Orlan 25, welcher bis Dezember 2010 nicht umgebaut wurde.
    Im Dezember hatte ich dann umgerüstet auf Lufttrennung und LC.
    Da dies gut funktionierte dachte ich mir jetzt hol ich mir die Flammtronik.
    Vom User Rene hatte ich mir noch denn fertig gelöteten Dimmer bestellt, lief alles prima.
    Seit 3 Tagen habe ich nun umgebaut auf Flammtronik, zweiten Dimmer selbst gelötet hatte ja nun ein gute Vorlage.
    Leider habe ich bis jetzt noch keinen brauchbaren Abbrand hinbekommen.
    Die Dimmer habe ich nach der beiliegenden Anleitung eingestellt, aber es funktioniert nicht.
    Habe die Werkseinstellung genommen und die AGT auf 170°C gesetzt die AGT schießt über das Ziel heraus.
    Primärüfter dreht immer noch weiter und regelt dann irgendwann herab.
    Der Seklüfter läuft z. B. obwohl der Restsauerstoff über 6% ist. Ich bekomm es einfach nicht geregelt dass beide Lüfter im optimalen Verhältnis zueinander arbeiten und der Kessel im Bereich der eingestellten AGT läuft.
    Würde mich über eure Hilfe sehr freuen, meine Frau die meckert schon, "warum must Du den Ofen auch jetzt umbauen der lief ja".


    Übrigens ich habe schon vor drei Jahren bei Kotly gekauft, ich berichte mal darüber in dem Kotly Tread, aber vorweg es war sehr positiv.